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how dare karl rove and his money guys try to do any such thing. and so yes, paul broun and steve king may be the prototypical examples of the kind of off the cooke end candidates that karl rove and the big money guys do not want in republican politics, because those are the kind of guys that lose senate seats that are otherwise winnable. but karl rove and his money guys kind of stand alone in that assessment. the rest of the party wants that. they want those guys. and they want it not naively. they know what they are getting. steve king and paul broun have been around for a long time. when the party stands up and says these are the guys they want, they know who they're talking about. they know who these guys are. and it is what they choose. so if you were a republican party stalwart, if you were part of the republican party and you loved the republican party and you wanted what was best for the republican party, what would you do at a time like this? what would you say? how would you try to fix this problem? well, today in washington house majorit
how dare karl rove and his money guys try to do any such thing. and so yes, paul broun and steve king may be the prototypical examples of the kind of off the cooke end candidates that karl rove and the big money guys do not want in republican politics, because those are the kind of guys that lose senate seats that are otherwise winnable. but karl rove and his money guys kind of stand alone in that assessment. the rest of the party wants that. they want those guys. and they want it not naively....
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a candidate that perhaps karl rove will steer away from. paul broun, the georgia congressman running to replace saxby chambliss and the times pointed out today, quote, mr. broun, a physician on the house science, space, and technology committee, attracted attention last fall for saying that, quote, evolution, embryology and the big bang theory, all of that is lies straight from the pit of hell. i'll bet that plays well inform his congressional district but my hung is that's not playing well even in a conservative state like georgia when you're talking statewide in the general. what do you say? >> well, of course, paul is going to get a lot of competition in that primary fight. you're going to be looking at guys like tom price and tom graves who have an incredibly strong record of fiscal conservatism. i think the core of the tea party, remember, is not social issues, it's not abortion, it's not immigration, it's not these other things. it's whether or not we should spend money we don't have. it's whether or not the government should live wit
a candidate that perhaps karl rove will steer away from. paul broun, the georgia congressman running to replace saxby chambliss and the times pointed out today, quote, mr. broun, a physician on the house science, space, and technology committee, attracted attention last fall for saying that, quote, evolution, embryology and the big bang theory, all of that is lies straight from the pit of hell. i'll bet that plays well inform his congressional district but my hung is that's not playing well...
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. >>> feeling sorry for karl rove yet? he is having a lot of trouble getting republicans to listen to him these days. maybe he shouldn't have wasted 100 million of their dollars on the last election. >> will the republican change the substance of their position? >> we need to do better. >> what's going on inside the republican party? >> they've gotten spanked a couple of times. >> better conservative candidates and win. >> on the official republican side, you have karl rove. >> karl rove has a new super pac to get rid of candidate like steve king. >> some people believe to get rid of todd akin. >> the female body has ways to shut that down. >> the republican party ought to split. >> better conservative candidates and win. >> but they are not walking the walk. >> washington has to deal with its spending problem. >> the looming budget war. >> i've had enough of it. time to act. >> we've seen the republicans playing game. >> i love nancy pelosi. >> playing games with the budget. >> they recognize that the sequester is a bad i
. >>> feeling sorry for karl rove yet? he is having a lot of trouble getting republicans to listen to him these days. maybe he shouldn't have wasted 100 million of their dollars on the last election. >> will the republican change the substance of their position? >> we need to do better. >> what's going on inside the republican party? >> they've gotten spanked a couple of times. >> better conservative candidates and win. >> on the official republican...
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and karl rove can't organize it. neither can any of the other people who played with that power but who now can't control it. >> so those who rode the tiger are now inside the tiger. >> exactly. >> don't forget, the chamber of commerce, at very times, made common cause with the antigovernment, anti-tax, anti-everything. they were willing to get in bed with him at certain points. and now they're paying for it. and karl is trying to unwind what he's wound. >> he's like a track tout. i used to go and after the races were over, they would show you who they'd recommend you'd bet on. it was always the winners that pass out the free picks. i would have bet on this guy. that's rove out there saying i would have had all of these winners picked, we would have won all of these general elections and now everybody realizes we're going to go over it in a minute. but your thoughts? >> now, i toe ttally agree with howard. your analogy there. the problem for karl is we have all the betting slips. his two organizations, american cross
and karl rove can't organize it. neither can any of the other people who played with that power but who now can't control it. >> so those who rode the tiger are now inside the tiger. >> exactly. >> don't forget, the chamber of commerce, at very times, made common cause with the antigovernment, anti-tax, anti-everything. they were willing to get in bed with him at certain points. and now they're paying for it. and karl is trying to unwind what he's wound. >> he's like a...
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karl rove is out there fighting it. jim van dee high wrote m politico, it's not just karl rove wanting to get rid of the crazieses the party as a whole does. one high profile republican strategist who obviously refused to have his name in order to avoid inflaming -- >> it is feehery. >> it wasn't me. >> said there is a deliberate effort by party leaders to marginalize the cranks, haters, and bigots. there's a lot of underbrush that needs to be cleaned out. republican after republican told us the party dodged a bullet with mitt romney's loss. if he had squeaked in, this vital reboot have been delayed. >> wasn't that mike murphy. >> it was feehery. >> let's speak for your party, john. so many people in your party think you have to do a better jock of proctoring who gets the nominations and don't just leave it to the grassroots. your view? >> well, this is obviously a pretty divisive issue -- >> where are you? >> i don't like cranks and crazy people. i want winners. i want people who can win. now, that being said, you got
karl rove is out there fighting it. jim van dee high wrote m politico, it's not just karl rove wanting to get rid of the crazieses the party as a whole does. one high profile republican strategist who obviously refused to have his name in order to avoid inflaming -- >> it is feehery. >> it wasn't me. >> said there is a deliberate effort by party leaders to marginalize the cranks, haters, and bigots. there's a lot of underbrush that needs to be cleaned out. republican after...
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o and so it's very easy for karl rove to saunter in and say oh, well, we'll stop this. you can't fight something with nothing. he did not back a single winning candidate last year. so what is going to happen? that is the republican party. that's why they win primaries, and the republican party has a more serious problem, which is that's 30% of the country that holds those views, maybe more or less. they can win primaries. they can never win national elections. but what is this republican establishment that rove represents? it's money people. but where are the voters within the republican party. it's not just tea party, it's the real base of the republican party whether they call themselves tea partiers or not. this is what they want. >> i was struck by how unified the reaction against rove was on the right. i mean, all of the influential -- all of the right-wing blogs that are influential enough that a liberal like me knows to go read them. >> right. >> all of them unified fla influential enough, all of them disgusted with karl rove. it seems as though this is a very go
o and so it's very easy for karl rove to saunter in and say oh, well, we'll stop this. you can't fight something with nothing. he did not back a single winning candidate last year. so what is going to happen? that is the republican party. that's why they win primaries, and the republican party has a more serious problem, which is that's 30% of the country that holds those views, maybe more or less. they can win primaries. they can never win national elections. but what is this republican...
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you're karl rove. not a good guy necessarily, but a smart guy. you're haley barbour. you're chris christie, one of these thoughtful people in the republican party you can argue. how are you going to stop these people from running if fay want to? >> cash. >> how do you stop them if they have money behind them? >> money talk, right? in f you don't want this guy to win and you've got the koch brothers and you have allison there, that's why they have a pac, right? >> that worked well for romney. here is the deal money can't buy you, authenticity. >> they're authentic, i hate to tell you. they're the real thing. >> they're authentic to the point where -- if you're authentic in your irrationality, great. you'll appeal to the irrational people. but when this guy says the earth was formed -- hold on. when the earth was formed 9,000 years ago and we started farming 10,000 years ago, it's insane. >> we have to come back to the fact that they have a base, that people like this have been elected. >> exactly. they have been. >> you know, i look at mourdock, he won. i like at akin,
you're karl rove. not a good guy necessarily, but a smart guy. you're haley barbour. you're chris christie, one of these thoughtful people in the republican party you can argue. how are you going to stop these people from running if fay want to? >> cash. >> how do you stop them if they have money behind them? >> money talk, right? in f you don't want this guy to win and you've got the koch brothers and you have allison there, that's why they have a pac, right? >> that...
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don't rely on a karl rove or reince priebus. the state chairman really has the opportunity to vet the candidates up front and to build the party from the bottom up and inviting those activists who are frustrated to be a part of the process. >> how do you democrats exploit this? we have the republican establishment disdainful of its right wing and trying to prevent it from getting any candidacies. >> how do we exploit it? >> yeah. >> you remember the old rule from lee atwater, when the opponent is self-destructing get out of the way. >> that goes back to napoleon. >> well lee atwater made it famous in our world. he's right. for the democrats, you watch these guys and you see on the one hand they've lost the middle which is great for the democratic party because everything they lose we pick up. on the other hand, they're attacking their base, which is going to result in not victories for moderate candidates who can win general elections, but it's going to result in right wing candidates getting their backs up, getting in these pri
don't rely on a karl rove or reince priebus. the state chairman really has the opportunity to vet the candidates up front and to build the party from the bottom up and inviting those activists who are frustrated to be a part of the process. >> how do you democrats exploit this? we have the republican establishment disdainful of its right wing and trying to prevent it from getting any candidacies. >> how do we exploit it? >> yeah. >> you remember the old rule from lee...
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karl rove wants to keep the fringies. and things like clinton did with school uniforms. and tell college students the jobs might be tough. what about the gun issue? should the republicans stick with the nra or tell wayne lapierre to get a real job? how could a party built other the decades on the people who left the democrats abandon those issues that attracted the rule south and the west people and the miners and the ranchers and the gun owners. and the people furious about immigration. how do you ban those people and keep a party? tonight an expert, a passionate believer that politics can get better. my colleague joe scarborough. here's the question. how do you keep this huge tent the republican party has built in the last 30 or 40 years with people from the south, the west, the miners, the ranchers, the religious right, all those people that have decided the republican party is their natural home and yet you have people in the fringe costing you your image. >> well, you've got to stand up to people on the fringe. you know, when parties go extreme they get roundly defe
karl rove wants to keep the fringies. and things like clinton did with school uniforms. and tell college students the jobs might be tough. what about the gun issue? should the republicans stick with the nra or tell wayne lapierre to get a real job? how could a party built other the decades on the people who left the democrats abandon those issues that attracted the rule south and the west people and the miners and the ranchers and the gun owners. and the people furious about immigration. how do...
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. >> karl rove as the reformer. >> you're talking about karl rove? >> he built this thing. >> karl is trying to unwind what he wound. >> trying to prevent another meltdown. >> i think there will be bruising changes. >> they have a real problem. >> it is time for a new party to talk like adults, we have to stop being stupid party. >> we have the obligation to try. >> when the president heads to minneapolis. >> progress is possible. >> to talk about gun violence. >> universal background checks are universally supported. >> it is a fraud to call it universal. it will never be universal. law abiding people don't want that. >> the nra is now revealed as an insane organization. and that matters quite a lot. >> the senate is poised to take action on gun violence. >> i didn't vote on the assault weapons last time, it didn't make sense. >> this is an emergency, let's knock off the washington baloney. >> if there is anything we can do, we have an obligation to try. >> i'm ezra klein in for lawrence o'donnell tonight. richard luger was born in indianapolis in 1
. >> karl rove as the reformer. >> you're talking about karl rove? >> he built this thing. >> karl is trying to unwind what he wound. >> trying to prevent another meltdown. >> i think there will be bruising changes. >> they have a real problem. >> it is time for a new party to talk like adults, we have to stop being stupid party. >> we have the obligation to try. >> when the president heads to minneapolis. >> progress is...
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that's kind of how i view karl rove. i don't think he is done. i think he still has too many connections. >> i'll concede. ed, i will concede when i wrote the kicker to that piece and made that statement, you know, if you take that in isolation, it sounds pretty conclusive and final. i know karl viewed it that way. but i take your point. >> quickly, howard, how unpopular is mitch mcconnell in kentucky? could he be in trouble? >> well, put it this way -- first all, the republican base doesn't really like him. partly because he is from louisville. partly because he is an insider in washington. he has never been wildly popular in the state. and he is not really down home friendly kind of guy in the kentucky mold. he has never been wildly popular. he is not hated, he is just not liked. >> howard fineman, great to have you on tonight. thank you so much. >> thanks, ed. >> that's "the ed show" tonight. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. melissa filling tonight. >> thanks at home for you staying with us the next hour. rachel has the night off, bu
that's kind of how i view karl rove. i don't think he is done. i think he still has too many connections. >> i'll concede. ed, i will concede when i wrote the kicker to that piece and made that statement, you know, if you take that in isolation, it sounds pretty conclusive and final. i know karl viewed it that way. but i take your point. >> quickly, howard, how unpopular is mitch mcconnell in kentucky? could he be in trouble? >> well, put it this way -- first all, the...
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. >> sean: a group backed by karl rove. karl rove is here and he will respond, coming up next. then tonight? >> the bottom line is all of those smears are absolutely false and that is the bottom line. >> another clinton-like denial. an angry senator bob menendez appears on camera for the first time denying allegations that he slept with underaged prostitutes. plus he is now placing blame on blogs called right wing for the story. we'll have thest on our investigation coming up straight ahead. so you say men are superior drivers? yeah. then how'd i get this... [ voice of dennis ] ...safe driving bonus check? every six months without an accident, allstate sends a check. ok. [ voice of dennis ] silence. are you in good hands? try align. it's the number one ge recommended probiotic c" that helps maintain digestive balance. ♪ stay in the groove with align. ♪ need help keeping yo digestive balance in sync? try align. it's a probiotic that fortifies your digestive system with healthy bacteria 24/7. because your insides set the tone. stay in the groove with align. i wish my patients
. >> sean: a group backed by karl rove. karl rove is here and he will respond, coming up next. then tonight? >> the bottom line is all of those smears are absolutely false and that is the bottom line. >> another clinton-like denial. an angry senator bob menendez appears on camera for the first time denying allegations that he slept with underaged prostitutes. plus he is now placing blame on blogs called right wing for the story. we'll have thest on our investigation coming up...
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the question is can they resolve it, whether or not it is karl rove or any other group? can they resolve it in the next two years, if they lose in the next mid-terms they will be in a whole world of pain going into the next presidential election. it will be fascinating to watch. >> joy reid, richard wolff, thank you for joining us tonight. >>> and the flop, there was one in the speech tonight. and who has better comedy writers? david letterman? the only republican who is not afraid of dave. and in the rewrite, fox news is re-writing the pundits and getting rid of the people who have never been right about anything ever. we'll give you the greatest hits of "fox news" greatest losers coming up in a bit. ♪ get ready for a lot more of that new-plane smell. we're building the youngest, most modern fleet among the largest us airlines to ensure that you are more comfortable and connected than ever. we are becoming a new american. all stations come over to mithis is for real this time. step seven point two one two. verify and lock. command is locked. five seconds. three, two,
the question is can they resolve it, whether or not it is karl rove or any other group? can they resolve it in the next two years, if they lose in the next mid-terms they will be in a whole world of pain going into the next presidential election. it will be fascinating to watch. >> joy reid, richard wolff, thank you for joining us tonight. >>> and the flop, there was one in the speech tonight. and who has better comedy writers? david letterman? the only republican who is not...
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the question is can they resolve it, whether or not it is karl rove or any other group? can they resolve it in the next two years, if they lose in the next mid-terms they will be in a whole world of pain going into the next presidential election. it will be fascinating to watch. >> joy reid, richard wolff, thank you for joining us tonight. >>> and the flop, there was one in the speech tonight. and who has better comedy writers? david letterman? the only republican who is not afraid of dave. and in the rewrite, fox news is re-writing the pundits and getting rid of the people who have never been right about anything ever. we'll give you the greatest hits of "fox news" greatest losers coming up in a bit. how do you keep an older car running like new? you ask a ford customer. when they tell you that you need your oil changed you got to bring it in. if your tires need to be rotated, you have to get that done as well. jackie, tell me why somebody should bring they're car here to the ford dealership for service instead of any one of those other places out there. they are going
the question is can they resolve it, whether or not it is karl rove or any other group? can they resolve it in the next two years, if they lose in the next mid-terms they will be in a whole world of pain going into the next presidential election. it will be fascinating to watch. >> joy reid, richard wolff, thank you for joining us tonight. >>> and the flop, there was one in the speech tonight. and who has better comedy writers? david letterman? the only republican who is not...
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>> you're talking about karl rove? >> i'm talking about karl rove. >> that is, it seems to me, john heilemann, a good question to ask. you go to karl rove, a guy that just got pasted in this last election. i know karl, i like karl. >> part of the past 20 years. >> he got pasted, and also some conservatives brought up, he was part of the bush administration that people like peg -- i'll say it peggy noonan, myself, others think destroyed the conservative movement by spending us into record debt. >> and you're seeing, you know, the immediate reaction among some parts of the conservative movement, parts of the tea party, more populist part of the party, attacking the group, saying that he's the karl rove and his allies, they have a bad record to run on and that they're deviating from the principles of true conservatism and they want to back sellouts. i think the main thing you're going to see over the course of this next cycle is a further deepening of the schism between the two kind of pieces of the republican party. the
>> you're talking about karl rove? >> i'm talking about karl rove. >> that is, it seems to me, john heilemann, a good question to ask. you go to karl rove, a guy that just got pasted in this last election. i know karl, i like karl. >> part of the past 20 years. >> he got pasted, and also some conservatives brought up, he was part of the bush administration that people like peg -- i'll say it peggy noonan, myself, others think destroyed the conservative movement by...
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we saw karl rove come out. he's talking about raising money to bring more moderate republicans out. the problem is it will intensify a civil war at least in terms of policy as we hear more and more details. >> that's exactly right. and we're already sort of seeing that play out with the immigration debate. you know, it all sounds good to say okay we have to solve the problem and to spell out broad principles. but when you actually get down to what are we going to do about the people that are here. how are we going to come up with a path to citizenship that makes sense and is fair and respects the fact that we are a nation of immigrants and a nation of laws when you get down to the specifics there's a huge split in the party. >> where we find the common ground. abby, you quoted your father as saying compromise is krital to fixing the gop. the quote was in my party compromise cannot be seen as analogous to treason. which it has been seen recently. your daddy was right. i love quoting your daddy to you. i want somebody to do that to my daughters develop ahead. >> it's compromise but it
we saw karl rove come out. he's talking about raising money to bring more moderate republicans out. the problem is it will intensify a civil war at least in terms of policy as we hear more and more details. >> that's exactly right. and we're already sort of seeing that play out with the immigration debate. you know, it all sounds good to say okay we have to solve the problem and to spell out broad principles. but when you actually get down to what are we going to do about the people that...
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rove and the republican national committee that turned out voters at the democrats in places like ohio didn't even know were there. so, you know, and with barack obama at the evidence the ticket, they were able to do that this time around. with him not there anymore, it will depend a lot on who the candidate is as to whether they're able to replicate anything like that strong. >> bill: this influences everybody's lives, all our lives if the president is indeed taking on a more arrogant posture in the sense that he is going to move as far as left as he wants to move because he says why not? i'm not going to get these people anyway. we don't need them anymore. california going to be mostly hispanic. hispanics will be in the majority. birth rate among white americans very low whereas hispanic americans much higher. we don't need those people. i'm not even going to represent them. i don't care about them. i'm going to create a nanny state and entitlement society and go right to my base. give them what they want and everybody else can go you know what. >> well, it's certainly the case with
rove and the republican national committee that turned out voters at the democrats in places like ohio didn't even know were there. so, you know, and with barack obama at the evidence the ticket, they were able to do that this time around. with him not there anymore, it will depend a lot on who the candidate is as to whether they're able to replicate anything like that strong. >> bill: this influences everybody's lives, all our lives if the president is indeed taking on a more arrogant...
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. >> it's got to annoy you that karl rove gets to stay, though, doesn't it? >> piers -- >> he was a guy saying the election result on the night was wrong. they had to stand up and make him -- megan kelly had to stop running down the corridor. >> the divorce isn't final, but i am seeing other people. >> and i'm very grateful you are. what's interesting about fox news is their ratings have really plummeted since the election. really quite dramatically. down 22% in the key demographic. in january. the lowest demo number since july 2008. and in prime time down 40% in the demo. its lowest demo number since may 2006. it seems from the outside, and they would do this to us, that fox have got some real problems right now. and one of the reasons is that they just called this election so badly wrong. and they may have driven the party and mitt romney down the wrong alley. >> well, apart from whether you blame fox or not, i'm not going to get into that. but i believe that the republicans were horribly hurt among women by the crazy extremists who said that rape won't mak
. >> it's got to annoy you that karl rove gets to stay, though, doesn't it? >> piers -- >> he was a guy saying the election result on the night was wrong. they had to stand up and make him -- megan kelly had to stop running down the corridor. >> the divorce isn't final, but i am seeing other people. >> and i'm very grateful you are. what's interesting about fox news is their ratings have really plummeted since the election. really quite dramatically. down 22% in...